Is it true that women have a difficult time even conceptualizing themselves outside of men?
Question by Brad, baseball player : Is it true that women have a difficult time even conceptualizing themselves outside of men? I get this impression that it seems as if damn near everything women do socially they interpret through the scope of someone who considers themselves living in a ‘man’s world’. As if women only view them elves within their roles as defined as once again in a ‘man’s world’.
For instance, I challenge anyone to name some social construction footed largely by women which is not somehow inextricably linked or created through some interpretation of men. “Feminism”. “Mothers Against Drunk Driving” (as if there’s some advantage to having mothers specifically separated from fathers on issue of drunk driving. The almost inexhaustible list of “National Women’s” causes – ‘Hall of Fame’, ‘Business Council’, ‘History Museum’, ‘Studies Association’, ‘Health and Fitness association’, ‘Law Center’, ‘Organization of Women’ ..
It’s so obvious that women historically and contemporarily are so inextricably linked to men that everything they do they try to make it seem as if they are independent- which only makes it more obvious how dependent they truly are. What’s the deal here?
The point i’m getting at is why can’t women just be ‘people’? Why do women so often try to look at circumstances through prism of gender (esp. when it’s to their benefit, and they stand to gain some special advantage over men)?
Women talk so much of desiring being men’s equals, yet it seems that they look to gain gender advantage anytime they can- even modern days post 3rd wave Feminism. As if women find it ok and politically & socially valid for women to take initiative to separate themselves from men, yet the converse is not ok. Best answer:
Answer by Sly
The problem is that women today (ESPECIALLY in America) have a VERY skewed idea of what it means to be a woman, if they have any idea at all.
What do you think? Answer below!
And your point is? Nature made males and females to be intriniscally linked together. That is why we are made differently, yet complimentary to one another. So it would follow that our societal mores and societal actions would also be linked. If our species intends to continue its survival, then those links will of necessity remain.
This question is so stupid. 2 points.
p.s why do minorities have groups and museums of there own? Is it because they can’t conceptualize themselves apart from whites?
It Is Not Clear
Where Your Objection Lies
Do You Wish Women To Be More Dependent On You?
Do You Feel Under-Appreciated
Because You Are Not Listed In The Women’s Hall Of Fame?
Why Are You Issuing This Complex
Contrived
And Frankly
Extremely Petty
Challenge
And To Whom?
women are just people- I think it’s our choice whether we pretend we’re victimized (and I know, some of us our, I’m not saying it’s perfect). Yeah, so much of our everyday lives are essentially men- oriented (or, men are behind it), but I don’t feel controlled by men, or like I have to prove myself to anyone. I’m not a victim and I’m not living in a man’s world, I’m living in my world. We all live in our own worlds, it just depends on your view point.
I have nothing to say about women trying to take gender advantage. I think that’s less trying to take advantage, and just more human nature. Men and women do that, it’s just human nature, not really tied to gender, IMO.
As a woman I just want a piece of the pie and be a man’s equal .
I take your point about “mothers against drunk drivers”.
However, there are times when women are sidetracked in a world basically dominated by men. And many men are dismissive about women, regarding their achievements as second best. The sports field is a good example – women’s football is sneered at, although why, I don’t know.
Many of the organisations you mention are geared towards females and their different needs.